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Do you have Cervantes' address? I'm pretty ticked off that the Don is doing things not in line with the fanfic...

Seriously, thanks for the insight. I wonder if this is more common with TV since it is by definition a visual medium. Although I've heard, but mercifully not seen, there is a ton of fanfic related to Harry Potter...

I have live most of my life around (not in) Hollywood. Grew up in Burbank and now live in weird Laguna Beach. But I have never know about all the weird people that are out there in TV land. And they call us crazy.

Anyway I enjoy your thoughts and I hope you continue to enlighten us. Your stories help remind us that fact is stranger than fiction.

PS. When inputing these comments the frame (the white background area) scrolls to the left and you can't see the left portion of the comments panel.

Keep up the good work.

My sympathies. I've met fanatics myself, and the first thing that
comes to mind when I do is, do they have medication for this?

Now true, they are hopeless fools. But fanatics of any kind are
dangerous. 
Whether religious or over a bit of ephemeral entertainment. I hope you're
taking precautions, and keeping your eye out for escape routes when confronted
by a 'true believer'.

The best thing to say about this is that most will grow out of it. The rest
will end up recluses in some dingy studio apartment somewhere, reliving their
glory days etc.

In any case (he wrote in order to end this rambling bit of blather), I hope
the books are going well, and the other projects are proceeding as they should.

BTW, welcome to the blogosphere. Roger L. Simon showed me how to get here,
so you can put the blame on him

Just what you've been talking about:

http://www.reason.com/links/links040804.shtml

bryan castañeda

"Often, these fans are also fiercely devoted to an individual character, or rather to the particular actor who played the character, confusing the two and thinking of them as one...But once an actor assumes the part, it makes the character all too real for some people. And on those rare occasions when TV characters are recreated in books, for a minority of fervent fans it’s as if the novelist is writing about real people instead of fictional characters."

One corrollary to this: this phenomenon extends past even "real" actors and into animated ones. I remember reading an article in Slate or Salon a while back about the decline of The Simpsons, and how many of the writers got the same angry, infuriated, bizarre letters and e-mails like the ones you've received about the D:M novels. "Lisa would NEVER do x,y,z! How dare you compromise her integrity!", etc. etc. These crazy fans were convinced they had a deeper understanding and cared more about the characters than the actual writers did. They were just as fanatical about pen & ink drawings as flesh & blood actors.

I totally agree with your thesis, though, that TV characters feel far more "real" than literary ones. Me, I'm a fanatic for Buffy, Angel, Firefly, The Simpsons, South Park -- your typical Aint-It-Cool-News type stuff. Those characters, and others like on Twin Peaks, X-Files, M*A*S*H, and Star Trek: TNG, at various times loomed much larger in my imagination than, say, Macbeth (a play which I loved) or the detectives in James Ellroy's L.A. Quartet novels (which I also love).

As much as I love literature, for sheer immediacy, it can't match a well-made movie or TV show.

Bryan Castañeda
West Covina, CA
P.S. As a TV geek, I very much look forward to reading your blog regularly for some behind-the-scenes insight into the TV world. Maybe I can get a better understanding of why Undeclared & Wonderfalls were cancelled. My current theory is that network executives are a bunch of cowed and gutless morons who don't have an iota of courage or the wherewithal to support quality shows. But that can't be it, right? Right?

I'm thrilled to report that Mr. Goldberg will be unable to confirm any theories about network exectutives being gutless morons because, as his partner, I have vowed to axe-murder him and his computer if he starts using this blog to sabotage our careers.

The fact is, all network executives are warm, courageous, and brilliantly insightful. At least, all the ones who are working at this very moment.

I did fanfic. If I'd have dropped out of it four years earlier, I'd have a career as a novelist by now instead of preparing for one.

Suffice it to say that 90% of it is crap, and there were a lot of people involved that made even the most die-hard Star Trek fans scratch their heads and say, "Wow, I guess Shatner was right in the SNL sketch."

Here's a scary thing. I really know a 40 year old man who lives in his mother's basement and watches Star Trek all day. Well, used to know. I have this thing called a "job." This "job" requires me to work days anymore. Nights I spend with my wife or writing, either for pay or for exposure. Go figure. I got a life.

Lee,

I feel your pain. I've posted over on the website message board a few times and soooo hoped I wouldn't give you the impressiong that I'm from the "Realm of the Unrealistic" fan.

Although I do run a website for an "actor" I do it as one to help in keeping the interest of his career going for his fans with nothing expected in return. I hardly have time to be obsessed!

I'm a very busy mother of two teenagers (one that's graduating from highschool in May), who happens upon a good show or book every once and a while and likes to express my appreciation to those who work hard to bring "quality" to the entertainment sector. Something that just doesn't come along enough any more.

I've visited some fan fiction sites and well, cringe at the belief of the "slasy" nature.

I remember one actor during one Q&A at an event that point blank said that the two individual male's relationship in a show was *not* "slashy". He was actually growing tired of constantly being asked the same question regarding the relationship of the two male characters from a show that had been off the air for some time.

Another actor during a Q&A at a convention(who loves to mess around with the "fan psyche"), went right along with them when asked if his character was "Gay" , "Oh yeah, sure, he's Gay!" And left it at that. Can't imagine what he had to say about that in the greenroom when all was done. :^)

Although this isn't quoting verbatium from my blog, I wanted to insert the following:

"I've been volunteering for a charity event that revolves around the film and television industry since October 1998. I've had run in's with fans both good and bad. The good? Those who are realistic. The bad? Those that think the world revolves around what they do for a show. ."

Sometimes I just have to chuckle when I see the fan's enthusiasm because they sometimes just don't get it. Otherwise it's just down right scary!

In the years I've been involved I've seen the actor's, writers, director's and producers come and go. From my vantage point I see them as they are. They're just as human as the rest. They have their own personal lives, family's, dilema's, work to get and bills to pay.

The scary thing is is that there are fans out there, as someone else posted, that see the actor "as" the character they portray on any particular show. Or they think that an actor has this glorious life, living in a lavash, costly house with 4 pools, 12 bedrooms, 20 bathrooms...I think you get my drift.

It's not always like that! As I'm sure you know, most actors these days are relying on a role to pay the bills and care for their family's. They're not always out at party's, award shows or galas and living it up!

I have this vivid memory when I was a teen of coming home from high school one afternoon to the horror of my mother literally taking all of my teen magazines, albums and even the console stereo and tossing it all out of the window. She wanted me to literally "get out of the dreamworld" and start facing reality. It worked! As of today I'm thankful she did that! Maybe some others need to do the same thing.

Mary

There are extremes in any genre, as you know well. For every West Wing there are three My Mother the Car.

This is true of fanfic as well. A lot of it is bad, and then there are those subcommunities that you've run into who seem to be not quite balanced in their attachment. But there is some good fanfic out there, very thoughtful, well done stuff.

I've got five novels in print and more under contract, so this is a topic of concern to me; I've had people ask me if it's okay if they write fanfic about my characters. To which I gave a very conditional yes. There's more about this:
here and here.

I'm very interested in reading "Beyond the Beyond" now. :) I am a seaQuest fan (even so far as to have written some "fanfic" in my younger days), and I really, truly enjoyed the third season. Yeah, it was different than what the fans were used to or wanted, but it was still well-done and well-written.

Personally, and as a writer, I would never presume to tell another writer what he should or should not do with characters I don't have any claim to. As a fan, I understand the frustration when something happens on a show that I don't think should have happened - but it wasn't my choice, wasn't my decision.

I wouldn't say that all fans are crazy or so fanatical, but some are, and they make it tough for the rest of us to get taken seriously (although those of us who aren't crazy try not to take ourselves too seriously. I know I don't).

So, anyway, I just wanted to say I really appreciated your work on seaQuest, and your continued contributions to the entertainment industry.

I realize this is an old entry but I just stumbled across it today. Since you're talking about bad fan fiction, I thought you might get a laugh out of some of the truly awful fiction at http://mpreg.brain-insane.com/fiction.html (including one Diagnosis Murder story)

I'll check it out!

The fans you are making fun of were right. They wrote the **TRUE** history of the show not you and you should have read the fan fiction first before writing the episodes. They paid more attentionto canon than you did and created canon where none existed before. You did not read it becuase you were afraid your own incompetence would be exposed.

Anonymous2,

This is my favorite post of the week... but I have to believe, since you signed it "Anonymous2," that it's a joke. It is,right? You can't possibly be for real. The alternative is just too frightening.

I don't think it's a joke, and yes, it is frightening.

I realize that you wrote this post a year and a half ago, however I would like to explain the other side of the coin. I write fanfics. And although I may consider myself somewhat of a fanatic, I have my own reasons for writing them. First of all, I find that in writing fanfictions, I can take what I DON'T like about the show, and change it. Secondly, sometimes it is easier to come up with original ideas about characters you watch on a weekly basis. Personally, I want to do anything I can to make myself a better writer. If that means taking characters from the shows I like to watch and spinning the story lines, then that's what I'm going to do. Lastly, many fanfiction sites (like fanfiction.net ...which is what I use) allow other authors to leave you reviews. This is the most helpful part for me; many of them leave helpful advice- what they think I do well, what they think I need help on. When Ionly write 4 papers a semester, I like all the feedback I can get.

*chuckles*

Well, that kinda explains where the whole fanfic debate started for you. ^_^

P.S.: Don't always agree with you, but like your posts in general. Have fun!

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